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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 05-29-2014, 08:55 PM Thread Starter
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E85 gas in Cali!

Finally, the first gas station around here (that I've found, anyway) just installed new E85 pumps! Going to fill up my gashog truck in a few minutes at $3.49 a gallon. A good 60 cents cheaper than the cheapest gas anywhere else. I'll let ya know if it runs like crap.

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I had a buddy that ran a carburated 460 big block ford that ran half regular and half e85 in his old truck and it ran like a bat outa hell.

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Finally, the first gas station around here (that I've found, anyway) just installed new E85 pumps! Going to fill up my gashog truck in a few minutes at $3.49 a gallon. A good 60 cents cheaper than the cheapest gas anywhere else. I'll let ya know if it runs like crap.

I found this: Let us know? your truck is made for it

Tech 101 ? Ethanol in gasoline and its effects on collector cars | Hemmings Daily
The fuel economy gets even worse with E85, a loss of 7 to 8 miles per gallon with its higher ethanol - See more at: Tech 101 ? Ethanol in gasoline and its effects on collector cars | Hemmings Daily


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Hope your truck is flex fuel. The loss of MPG does not even out with the price savings.

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Agreed... The fuel is cheaper but the mileage drops. Dollar per mile is more expensive with E85.

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My friend swore the power went up though.. Let us know what you think..
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Yes, it's a flex fuel truck. Seemed fine on the drive home. I get a whopping 11 miles to the gallon with 87, so how much worse could it get? Almost $40 less to fill up, though.

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94mm bbk, +4 stroker, Hot Cams, Vertex piston, FMF Power Bomb header and Power Core can, KW black diamond valves/dual springs, FCR39, K&N, Elka long-travel LT fronts and rear, Houser +3, +3/4 LT A-arms, American Star pro xs chromoly tie rods, Dyna non-programable, Tusk +3 axle.
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The gas mileage is worse and doesn't make up for the difference in price. It is also harder on your engine as it burns hotter. It will give you a little more power, but it is harder on your motor than regular gas.
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^^^^ completely untrue and actually the exact opposite is true. E85 has an octane of 105 meaning it has a lower ignition point then gas. It burns cooler and and prevents burnt valves. Also keeps fuel injectors clean.

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Gas mileage dropped immediately, then came back up as the truck adjusted to it. After 20 miles of my daily trip, the mileage is .3 mpg less than it was. Well worth the money so far.

FYI, the owners manual says to:
avoid mixing them
only switch when filling more than half a tank
if you use E85 regularly, you should fill up with 87 octane once every oil change.
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Wouldn't run it anything that isn't designed to be flex. Even the 10% is hard on rubber lines and seals not designed for it.

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Wouldn't run it anything that isn't designed to be flex. Even the 10% is hard on rubber lines and seals not designed for it.
That is a myth. Even E85 won't eat any of the fuel system because the 15% of gas is enough to lubricate everything. You can run E85 in any car the only thing you have to do is get the car tuned for it.

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I don't think I would either. This happens to be the second flex vehicle that I've owned and had nowhere to get it.

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That is a myth. Even E85 won't eat any of the fuel system because the 15% of gas is enough to lubricate everything. You can run E85 in any car the only thing you have to do is get the car tuned for it.
Ethanol is in fact hard on rubber fuel system parts. Especially if it is holding moisture, which it does quite easily. It will even absorb moisture right out of the air.
There are ethanol safe parts out there if you are serious about doing a conversion.

I have done hundreds of fuel system repairs on marine and small engines that were purely caused by our lovely e10 mandate in MN. Not to mention hundreds of snowmobile overhauls.

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Boats and small engines only have problems because the fuel sits around alot and collects water in a fuel system that is not sealed. As long as you drain it after each ride it will do not harm at all.

A little light reading E85 Conversion Kits Change2E85.com

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