Is that normal??

yanickfc · 02-04-2012, 10:00 PM

Here is the setup!
ltz 400 2005
hotrod +4
cw bigbore kit with the piston it comes with(kit from Paul)
pro circuit slip on and header
no top on the air box
400ex air boot
cams: STOCK(for now $$)

carb:
fcr 39mm from yfz 2007
50 pilot 2 turn fuel
stock needle
stock leak jet
180 main jet

sproket:stock

I raced with my friend who has a 2007 honda trx450r

on 1-2-3 we are equals, on 4-5 he is faster, really faster than me??

Hughesc99 · 02-04-2012, 10:06 PM

Not another "should so and so be faster than me" thread. Honestly I hate when people start these types of threads. There is so much that plays into these things. Just a few...weight, traction, whos the better rider, rpms your shifting at, blah blah blah. Fact is you have a stroked/bb with STOCK CAMS. He has a 450r. yes it does not suprise me that he is faster than you.If you want to be competative with him, get some Webs or some sort of much bigger cams.

yanickfc · 02-04-2012, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hughesc99

Fact is you have a stroked/bb with STOCK CAMS. He has a 450r. yes it does not suprise me that he is faster than you.If you want to be competative with him, get some Webs or some sort of much bigger cams.

This is the part I wanted to know
I tried his bike and it feels like it has much more performance than mine.
Since I did this built myself, I was not sure if I did everything the good way.

Hughesc99 · 02-04-2012, 10:30 PM

He has a 450 that was built more as a racing quad. What do you expect? Your not going to be that close to him, especially if he rides well. Now after you get better cams and you yourself are a decent rider, then you should have better results, but not necessary going to beat him still.

chinoduca · 02-04-2012, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hughesc99

Not another "should so and so be faster than me" thread. Honestly I hate when people start these types of threads. There is so much that plays into these things. Just a few...weight, traction, whos the better rider, rpms your shifting at, blah blah blah. Fact is you have a stroked/bb with STOCK CAMS. He has a 450r. yes it does not suprise me that he is faster than you.If you want to be competative with him, get some Webs or some sort of much bigger cams.

+1

What has the trx got done to it?

Pulido221 · 02-04-2012, 11:32 PM

You should be beating that Honda or at least dead even with him with your build. However your stock cams unable you to really pull from mid to top end. The trx 450's are not known for there top end, they are famous for grabbing hole shots because of there huge bottom end power. I am pretty sure your cams are your weakness and if that trx has the HRC kit or HRC cam on it, it's gona be a little tuff to beat without bigger cams. I have problems beating YFZ's, those things have a lot of top end. I either tie with them or they get me by 1/2 a bike length(them being piped ,jetted, and intake of course). But some bigger cams as stated by Hughes

TuckerHardRide · 02-05-2012, 12:37 AM

Cams.

atv4life95 · 02-05-2012, 01:16 AM

Well, if you really have your mind set on beating this 450.. Maybe, you should get a 450.

CFM-Z440 · 02-05-2012, 01:25 AM

You just need cams, WAY bigger cams, and a larger carb wouldn't hurt either once you have appropriate sized cams in it. I haven't been beat by any 450 that was still 450cc's yet with my 470. In a drag race anyways.

yanickfc · 02-05-2012, 07:47 AM

Hey I am better driver than im ok, I learned to him how to drive an atv !! :-p
His bike is stock

This said, I don't mind don't beat him, it's just that right now I feel like my bike has the same power like when he was stock!
Alright, let's start to check cams on Internet, I mean HUGE CAM OF HELL

chinoduca · 02-05-2012, 09:13 AM

You could get a better intake too and eliminate the air box if you just ride sand.

Out of curiosity, where are you from? Doesn't seem like English is your first language so just wondering.

yanickfc · 02-05-2012, 10:11 AM

It's not :-p

I'm from quebec, in Canada
Just next to ottawa.
I use to speak french

chinoduca · 02-05-2012, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yanickfc

It's not :-p

I'm from quebec, in Canada
Just next to ottawa.
I use to speak french

Alright! English isn't my first language either.

So yea start by getting a good set of cams!

yanickfc · 02-05-2012, 03:19 PM

Something like webcam 540/539 :-o

I think it's time to learn how to degree cams and buy some new tools!!

02-04-2012, 10:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
yanickfc :::Ozark 250 rider::: Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 319	Is that normal?? Here is the setup! ltz 400 2005 hotrod +4 cw bigbore kit with the piston it comes with(kit from Paul) pro circuit slip on and header no top on the air box 400ex air boot cams: STOCK(for now $$) carb: fcr 39mm from yfz 2007 50 pilot 2 turn fuel stock needle stock leak jet 180 main jet sproket:stock I raced with my friend who has a 2007 honda trx450r on 1-2-3 we are equals, on 4-5 he is faster, really faster than me??

02-04-2012, 10:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hughesc99 :::Post Whore::: Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 2,092	Not another "should so and so be faster than me" thread. Honestly I hate when people start these types of threads. There is so much that plays into these things. Just a few...weight, traction, whos the better rider, rpms your shifting at, blah blah blah. Fact is you have a stroked/bb with STOCK CAMS. He has a 450r. yes it does not suprise me that he is faster than you.If you want to be competative with him, get some Webs or some sort of much bigger cams. __________________ 2006 Lt-Z434 Trinity IV Full Exhaust/OSHC/FCR39 w/AP Safety Wired/ Velocity Intake/Odi Rogue Grips/AC Nerfs Factory Suzuki Heel Guards/Durablue Rear Linkage +2+1 A-Arms

02-04-2012, 10:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hughesc99 :::Post Whore::: Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 2,092	He has a 450 that was built more as a racing quad. What do you expect? Your not going to be that close to him, especially if he rides well. Now after you get better cams and you yourself are a decent rider, then you should have better results, but not necessary going to beat him still. __________________ 2006 Lt-Z434 Trinity IV Full Exhaust/OSHC/FCR39 w/AP Safety Wired/ Velocity Intake/Odi Rogue Grips/AC Nerfs Factory Suzuki Heel Guards/Durablue Rear Linkage +2+1 A-Arms

02-04-2012, 11:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Pulido221 :::Post Whore::: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Fresno, Ca Posts: 2,315	You should be beating that Honda or at least dead even with him with your build. However your stock cams unable you to really pull from mid to top end. The trx 450's are not known for there top end, they are famous for grabbing hole shots because of there huge bottom end power. I am pretty sure your cams are your weakness and if that trx has the HRC kit or HRC cam on it, it's gona be a little tuff to beat without bigger cams. I have problems beating YFZ's, those things have a lot of top end. I either tie with them or they get me by 1/2 a bike length(them being piped ,jetted, and intake of course). But some bigger cams as stated by Hughes __________________ Houser +2 a arms ( tric trac ) ProArmor nerfs,bump,grab bar Renthal Fat Bars ( magrath ) Houser +2 antivibe steer stem Fox Podium X front shocks TCS MX rear shock ASV unbreakable levers Full Curtis Sparks exhaust Dyno jet kit/FCI intake Old style hot cams Int/Ex ITP GNCC tires +2 GForce hubs Quadtech carbon fiber hood Kfx450R Monster graphic kit 450 BBK 13.1 JE piston KB valves / DRZ springs Mild ported head by me " WEAR A DAMN HELMET "

02-05-2012, 12:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
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02-05-2012, 01:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
atv4life95 :::LT500 Rider::: Join Date: May 2011 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 1,245	Well, if you really have your mind set on beating this 450.. Maybe, you should get a 450. __________________ 2003 Suzuki Z400 - SOLD Fully Worked & Race Ready, '98 Yamaha YZ125 - My New Toy

02-05-2012, 01:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
CFM-Z440 Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 6,432	You just need cams, WAY bigger cams, and a larger carb wouldn't hurt either once you have appropriate sized cams in it. I haven't been beat by any 450 that was still 450cc's yet with my 470. In a drag race anyways. __________________ 03 LT-Z 470 Max Power 12.5:1 94mm Piston, Hot Rods +5 Stroker Crank, Web Cams 539 (+6) IN / 539 EX, with Hot Cams sprockets, Ferrea +1 Valves, LTZ/DRZ springs (IN)DRZ springs (EX), DRZ Manual Decomp. Ported head, FCR 41 with Noss adaptor, Home made intake, Modified HMF Full System, Home made header, Trailtech flywheel, Dyna Programable 54hp 36ft lbs Last edited by CFM-Z440; 02-05-2012 at 01:28 AM.

02-05-2012, 07:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
yanickfc :::Ozark 250 rider::: Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 319	Hey I am better driver than im ok, I learned to him how to drive an atv !! :-p His bike is stock This said, I don't mind don't beat him, it's just that right now I feel like my bike has the same power like when he was stock! Alright, let's start to check cams on Internet, I mean HUGE CAM OF HELL

02-05-2012, 09:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
chinoduca :::Post Whore::: Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Doha, Qatar Posts: 2,135	You could get a better intake too and eliminate the air box if you just ride sand. Out of curiosity, where are you from? Doesn't seem like English is your first language so just wondering. __________________ '07 LTR 450 - Yoshi rs-5, Intake Hotcam cam, 08 exhaust cam, FuelAtv intake, PCIII, Sandtars all around. '03 White Z400 - SOLD I♥ SuzukiCentral!

02-05-2012, 10:11 AM	#12 (permalink)
yanickfc :::Ozark 250 rider::: Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 319	It's not :-p I'm from quebec, in Canada Just next to ottawa. I use to speak french

02-05-2012, 03:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
yanickfc :::Ozark 250 rider::: Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 319	Something like webcam 540/539 :-o I think it's time to learn how to degree cams and buy some new tools!!

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