Differences in offset 3-2, 4-1

biggiej42 · 06-26-2011, 06:04 PM

Just a quick question about the offsets, does a 4-1 make your front end wider, or more narrow?

I've currently got a set of 3-2's on and in lieu of getting new arms, I was wondering if a set of 4-1's would widen it up a tad and help handling.

Thanks for all your help!

drnez · 06-26-2011, 06:12 PM

wheel offsets are measured INSIDE_DISTANCE/OUTSIDE_DISTANCE. So 4/1 offset would be 4" on the inside, 1" on the outside.

They will make you narrower than stock offset which is roughly 3/2.

zookie400 · 06-26-2011, 06:14 PM

dished OUT rims will hurt handling and KILL you arms.

4/1 is best, but narowest overall.

biggiej42 · 06-26-2011, 06:24 PM

Gotcha, so i'd lose two inches in the front. I guess I could make up for that with some nice +1 arms

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woodsrider129 · 06-26-2011, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggiej42

Gotcha, so i'd lose two inches in the front. I guess I could make up for that with some nice +1 arms

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I'm running +1" arms with the 4+1 offset. It handles and turns so much better than stock arms and the 3+2 set up.

biggiej42 · 06-26-2011, 06:35 PM

Good to know, now I just need to start saving. I want to pick up a set of those JD Mgc arms first, then grab a new set of front wheels.

biggiej42 · 07-02-2011, 10:29 AM

Well, I gave in, wound up going with LSR +2 arms, and douglas 4-1 beadlocks

zookie400 · 07-02-2011, 01:59 PM

its going to handle great!

biggiej42 · 07-02-2011, 02:12 PM

I hope so! I can't wait to try it all out. Do you know the camber settings? is 3-4 degrees ok? I use my iphone to rough measure camber at work, so i'm hoping I can do the same with a quad.

Salvin36 · 07-02-2011, 03:32 PM

So, what is the science behind 4-1 wheels handling better than the 3-2? I have heard it has something to do with something called scrub?

biggiej42 · 07-03-2011, 12:40 AM

I guess 4-1 has less leverage for the wheel to push the tie rod, making smaller bumps less noticeable?

Joshz400_03 · 07-03-2011, 02:22 AM

4-1 puts the weight more over the steering knuckle. This helps with feedback from bumps and makes for turning easier. Also helps with the suspension being its not spread out.

zookie400 · 07-03-2011, 08:52 AM

you can actually see it just by lightly kicking the front or back of the tire and watching how far the bars move with the different wheels. just like biggie said, the leverage against your arms is least with the 4/1.

biggiej42 · 07-03-2011, 09:39 AM

I'm stoked to get all this stuff in the mail! The arms are going to take a couple weeks, but the wheels should be here soon.

insanez400shane · 07-07-2011, 09:49 AM

how do you like your hydraulic clutch? are you going to be riding xc with your setup?

06-26-2011, 06:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
biggiej42 :::Official Spammer::: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399	Differences in offset 3-2, 4-1 Just a quick question about the offsets, does a 4-1 make your front end wider, or more narrow? I've currently got a set of 3-2's on and in lieu of getting new arms, I was wondering if a set of 4-1's would widen it up a tad and help handling. Thanks for all your help! __________________ 05' Z434 12.5:1CP,Full Yosh TRC,FCR40,175/45,Rat Stack,Dyna Programmable,AMR Coil,KW Valvetrain,536/540 Web's,DID Tchain,PWR Radiator,Raptor petcock,Gunnar Kill,Elka S3 Front+Rear w/link,Roll+1 Stem,GPR Stabilizer,SL Hyd.Clutch,Tag T2,LSR+3 Arms,Burgard+1 Swinger,Quadtech Rad Shrouds,Supersprox 14/40t,UM Air Box,YFZ Calipers,SS Lines,PA Bumper,Asv's,Roll Nerfs/Heels/Pegs,LSR Axcalibar,Douglas G2 Beadlocks/Razr's,Hid,YFZTail,Pwrmadd's,TT Vapor+Dash,CV4's,RickyStator. July 2011 QOTM

06-26-2011, 06:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
drnez :::Official Spammer::: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,941	wheel offsets are measured INSIDE_DISTANCE/OUTSIDE_DISTANCE. So 4/1 offset would be 4" on the inside, 1" on the outside. They will make you narrower than stock offset which is roughly 3/2. __________________ Building another KFX. Let the money pit begin!

06-26-2011, 06:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
biggiej42 :::Official Spammer::: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399	Gotcha, so i'd lose two inches in the front. I guess I could make up for that with some nice +1 arms . __________________ 05' Z434 12.5:1CP,Full Yosh TRC,FCR40,175/45,Rat Stack,Dyna Programmable,AMR Coil,KW Valvetrain,536/540 Web's,DID Tchain,PWR Radiator,Raptor petcock,Gunnar Kill,Elka S3 Front+Rear w/link,Roll+1 Stem,GPR Stabilizer,SL Hyd.Clutch,Tag T2,LSR+3 Arms,Burgard+1 Swinger,Quadtech Rad Shrouds,Supersprox 14/40t,UM Air Box,YFZ Calipers,SS Lines,PA Bumper,Asv's,Roll Nerfs/Heels/Pegs,LSR Axcalibar,Douglas G2 Beadlocks/Razr's,Hid,YFZTail,Pwrmadd's,TT Vapor+Dash,CV4's,RickyStator. July 2011 QOTM

06-26-2011, 06:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
biggiej42 :::Official Spammer::: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399	Good to know, now I just need to start saving. I want to pick up a set of those JD Mgc arms first, then grab a new set of front wheels. __________________ 05' Z434 12.5:1CP,Full Yosh TRC,FCR40,175/45,Rat Stack,Dyna Programmable,AMR Coil,KW Valvetrain,536/540 Web's,DID Tchain,PWR Radiator,Raptor petcock,Gunnar Kill,Elka S3 Front+Rear w/link,Roll+1 Stem,GPR Stabilizer,SL Hyd.Clutch,Tag T2,LSR+3 Arms,Burgard+1 Swinger,Quadtech Rad Shrouds,Supersprox 14/40t,UM Air Box,YFZ Calipers,SS Lines,PA Bumper,Asv's,Roll Nerfs/Heels/Pegs,LSR Axcalibar,Douglas G2 Beadlocks/Razr's,Hid,YFZTail,Pwrmadd's,TT Vapor+Dash,CV4's,RickyStator. July 2011 QOTM

07-02-2011, 10:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
biggiej42 :::Official Spammer::: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399	Well, I gave in, wound up going with LSR +2 arms, and douglas 4-1 beadlocks __________________ 05' Z434 12.5:1CP,Full Yosh TRC,FCR40,175/45,Rat Stack,Dyna Programmable,AMR Coil,KW Valvetrain,536/540 Web's,DID Tchain,PWR Radiator,Raptor petcock,Gunnar Kill,Elka S3 Front+Rear w/link,Roll+1 Stem,GPR Stabilizer,SL Hyd.Clutch,Tag T2,LSR+3 Arms,Burgard+1 Swinger,Quadtech Rad Shrouds,Supersprox 14/40t,UM Air Box,YFZ Calipers,SS Lines,PA Bumper,Asv's,Roll Nerfs/Heels/Pegs,LSR Axcalibar,Douglas G2 Beadlocks/Razr's,Hid,YFZTail,Pwrmadd's,TT Vapor+Dash,CV4's,RickyStator. July 2011 QOTM

06-26-2011, 06:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
zookie400 :::Post Whore::: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,683	dished OUT rims will hurt handling and KILL you arms. 4/1 is best, but narowest overall.

07-02-2011, 01:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
zookie400 :::Post Whore::: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,683	its going to handle great!

07-02-2011, 02:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
biggiej42 :::Official Spammer::: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399	I hope so! I can't wait to try it all out. Do you know the camber settings? is 3-4 degrees ok? I use my iphone to rough measure camber at work, so i'm hoping I can do the same with a quad. __________________ 05' Z434 12.5:1CP,Full Yosh TRC,FCR40,175/45,Rat Stack,Dyna Programmable,AMR Coil,KW Valvetrain,536/540 Web's,DID Tchain,PWR Radiator,Raptor petcock,Gunnar Kill,Elka S3 Front+Rear w/link,Roll+1 Stem,GPR Stabilizer,SL Hyd.Clutch,Tag T2,LSR+3 Arms,Burgard+1 Swinger,Quadtech Rad Shrouds,Supersprox 14/40t,UM Air Box,YFZ Calipers,SS Lines,PA Bumper,Asv's,Roll Nerfs/Heels/Pegs,LSR Axcalibar,Douglas G2 Beadlocks/Razr's,Hid,YFZTail,Pwrmadd's,TT Vapor+Dash,CV4's,RickyStator. July 2011 QOTM

07-02-2011, 03:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
Salvin36 :::Ozark 250 rider::: Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Brush, Colorado Posts: 360	So, what is the science behind 4-1 wheels handling better than the 3-2? I have heard it has something to do with something called scrub? __________________ '05 KFX 400 -FCR 39mm TORS/TPS Removed -400ex Intake Tube -Uni 6" Clamp on Filter -HMF Competition Full Exhaust -Alba Pro Elite Black Nerf Bars -13t JT Front Sprocket -ProTaper ATV Mid Bend -Weisco 90mm 12.2-1 Piston -DRZe Base Gasket -Armadillo Swing Arm Skid Plate -GT Thunder Front and Rear Shocks w/ Linkage -AC Racing Front Bumper -X-rex 22" fronts on T-9s Race-Rex 20" Rears -CCP Steering Stabilizer -'09 YFZ450R o.0

07-03-2011, 12:40 AM	#11 (permalink)
biggiej42 :::Official Spammer::: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399	I guess 4-1 has less leverage for the wheel to push the tie rod, making smaller bumps less noticeable? __________________ 05' Z434 12.5:1CP,Full Yosh TRC,FCR40,175/45,Rat Stack,Dyna Programmable,AMR Coil,KW Valvetrain,536/540 Web's,DID Tchain,PWR Radiator,Raptor petcock,Gunnar Kill,Elka S3 Front+Rear w/link,Roll+1 Stem,GPR Stabilizer,SL Hyd.Clutch,Tag T2,LSR+3 Arms,Burgard+1 Swinger,Quadtech Rad Shrouds,Supersprox 14/40t,UM Air Box,YFZ Calipers,SS Lines,PA Bumper,Asv's,Roll Nerfs/Heels/Pegs,LSR Axcalibar,Douglas G2 Beadlocks/Razr's,Hid,YFZTail,Pwrmadd's,TT Vapor+Dash,CV4's,RickyStator. July 2011 QOTM

07-03-2011, 02:22 AM	#12 (permalink)
Joshz400_03 Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Green Bay, Wi Posts: 8,300	4-1 puts the weight more over the steering knuckle. This helps with feedback from bumps and makes for turning easier. Also helps with the suspension being its not spread out. __________________ KB Motorsports My Mod List 07' LT-R 450 03' Z434 10' SSR DX-3 110 Buick Brother

07-03-2011, 08:52 AM	#13 (permalink)
zookie400 :::Post Whore::: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,683	you can actually see it just by lightly kicking the front or back of the tire and watching how far the bars move with the different wheels. just like biggie said, the leverage against your arms is least with the 4/1.

07-03-2011, 09:39 AM	#14 (permalink)
biggiej42 :::Official Spammer::: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399	I'm stoked to get all this stuff in the mail! The arms are going to take a couple weeks, but the wheels should be here soon. __________________ 05' Z434 12.5:1CP,Full Yosh TRC,FCR40,175/45,Rat Stack,Dyna Programmable,AMR Coil,KW Valvetrain,536/540 Web's,DID Tchain,PWR Radiator,Raptor petcock,Gunnar Kill,Elka S3 Front+Rear w/link,Roll+1 Stem,GPR Stabilizer,SL Hyd.Clutch,Tag T2,LSR+3 Arms,Burgard+1 Swinger,Quadtech Rad Shrouds,Supersprox 14/40t,UM Air Box,YFZ Calipers,SS Lines,PA Bumper,Asv's,Roll Nerfs/Heels/Pegs,LSR Axcalibar,Douglas G2 Beadlocks/Razr's,Hid,YFZTail,Pwrmadd's,TT Vapor+Dash,CV4's,RickyStator. July 2011 QOTM

07-07-2011, 09:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
insanez400shane :::LT250 Rider::: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 765	how do you like your hydraulic clutch? are you going to be riding xc with your setup? __________________ JANUARY 2012 QOTM! 03 Z, 462 motor, p&p, houser +1 arms +1 stem +1.25 swingarm, elka stage3 all around, fcr39, CFM, kibblewhite, pro design, asv, dynatek, yoshi, nshc, durablue, pro taper, galfer, pro armor, pro aluminum, armadillo, ims roll, dr. D, moose, odi, fly, DID, 13-40 gearing, frame gusseted, 22" razor I's in rear, itp xct 23" fronts. wishing for webcams 540/539 04 yfz501, venom port, venom pipe, FCI, sredrum 42.5 carb, and a lot more.

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