well this will get you all going. After thinking of buying the new z for a while now im leaning more towards a 400ex. 1. proven reliability. 2.parts availability. 3.cost less. 4. The more post are made the more problems that say its just another pos come up. Iknow for a fact that a very good rider could go do well in a gncc with the honda. It sounds as if the z would HAVE to have an axle and a skidplate to finish the race. The z has whimpy tie rod ends that cant take the beating that hondas take. Ive drug some yams. out of the trail with tore up tie rods that are just like the z's. After re-reading the mag article they say it was bottoming on the test track over in japan, and that it wasnt that much of a jump. Somewhere, I think at this site ,someone had problems with electrical system after changing to higher wattage bulbs and a lighted flag. I wouldnt be adding those but that kind of seems as though the system just barely gets the job done with no room for any added drains. Ive read of fuel shut of problems with some fancy vacume valve, jsut leave the normal stuff that works on them PLEASE. Now ive seen that the plastic is messing up, Im guessing where those "darts" are under the seat. Personaly I dont like handlebar chokes, Just harder to put on aftermarket bars. Outdated chain adjustment on swingarm. I would bet money that the frame cracks where the upper steering stem bushing is, thats awfully tall with no gussets. I shouldnt have called it a pos, its not ,but I believe the honda to be the better value and the better race quad. Time will tell. Both need to have some major changes. 1. longer swingarms. 2 the old 250r rear caliper and not that little baby one. 3 how about wider axles that you could just flip the rims over to be xc or mx ready, whatever you prefer. 4 quit detuning the engines so pussies can ride them, leave them like the bike engines with some ponies, yes they may not be as user friendly but an awfull lot of us would prefer it that way. and why must quads have handlebars without a crossbar, dirtbikes have them dont they? Oh well maybe this will force all the companies to keep improving every year just like sleds and bikes and we can all have quads that dont need 4000 worth of extras to even come close to competing at the local races. Its unbelievable that the Warrior still is being sold, along with a long list of others. I know the Z has more power and is fster in a drag race but when looking at the dyno graphs it looks like a pipe on a Honda will even things out. Heck put in a high compression piston like the Z has and things would be much more even. Either way if you want to race they both need money put into the engines. Im not saying you are all stupid for buying a Suzuki, I think they will beat your buddy in play racing if your basically stock, it just sounds as though yur going to need to put some more cash into it so it can last the day without damage, ie. axle.