I was just at ex riders website and ive seen it here to where people say that suzuki copied honda. If anyone wants the real story here is some history. Back in the good old days of Blackwater and JP racing when the aftermarket frame craze was just starting, Honda had people at the blackwater race asking top gncc racers questions. Steve Holbert had a quad that was on the front of Dirtwheels feb. 97 issue. Called it a 385ex. Looks to me like Honda did a cheap immitation of the aftermarket to me. That frame resembles a 400ex quite a bit, well as much as the z resembles the ex anyway. Oh well Honda was there and taking notes, Think about it ,aftermarket had round tube frames before honda did. Hey so did yam. and suz. Maybe Honda copied everyone else.Also the original suzuki, the first quad in history, had a round style axle carrier. I dont now why ppl are griping anyway because the honda and suzuki are as close to a high dollar quad that any company is ever going to mass produce, well beside a c-dale and they cost to much for there reliability. I know a top national mx'r and he has problems with overheating he said on his c-dale.